tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post224453943431538643..comments2024-01-02T16:30:43.455+00:00Comments on Hog Day Afternoon: TV CopsHogdayafternoonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-37309920768075167412013-04-01T23:09:10.804+01:002013-04-01T23:09:10.804+01:00The Untouchables was essentially commercial fraud ...The Untouchables was essentially commercial fraud in reality - Eliot Ness was an accountant with a good sense of image building.<br />I can't see Hoggie and others here being tempted from cosy retirement to smash up breweries and distilleries, but we might go for a hell for leather bankster-busting job. We could make up the action Elliot Ness style and regularly catch the banksters snorting, whoring and being Miss Whiplashed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-66435109160959389722013-03-25T18:12:28.279+00:002013-03-25T18:12:28.279+00:00"OK copper, I want a re-written annual servic..."OK copper, I want a re-written annual service plan and double the facilitators on the diversity and minorities team and get me a bisexual BCU finance manager or I kill a hostage every hour.."<br /><br />Proabably true, but somehow it lacks that `Life on Mars` ring of drama, doesn't it?Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-23612842663617892312013-03-24T14:42:43.304+00:002013-03-24T14:42:43.304+00:00SOC - you mean like sitting at their desks all day...SOC - you mean like sitting at their desks all day sending emails out asking why everyone else's work returns are so low?Former Sierra Charlienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-7373467955741172132013-03-24T11:24:43.853+00:002013-03-24T11:24:43.853+00:00There used to be an extras agency called "cop...There used to be an extras agency called "cops on the box" where they could get real plod to use the "real skills" on TV - the little things matter ... I suppose they paid more for it Stressed Out Cophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09822426269877730126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-86719834718520215672013-03-23T07:52:50.468+00:002013-03-23T07:52:50.468+00:00ACO:"Guys I worked commercial fraud with who ...ACO:<i>"Guys I worked commercial fraud with who are retiring now tell me not much has changed - they know thieving is rife in the banks and can't do anything about it. I'd like to see more of that kind of reality in the movies."</i><br /><br />Sadly, it makes for a rather dull movie. I can see people staring at PC screens & muttering any time I like - I just have to go to work!JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-80620550774460378392013-03-23T07:50:34.544+00:002013-03-23T07:50:34.544+00:00"...if they took their eyes off Mr Craig'...<i>"...if they took their eyes off Mr Craig's other features long enough. "</i><br /><br />Eh? Ummm, say what? I was....distracted. :)JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-12600657245238746282013-03-22T22:49:51.291+00:002013-03-22T22:49:51.291+00:00MF: Ditto. Despite the fact I like Mark Walberg an...MF: Ditto. Despite the fact I like Mark Walberg and Tom Selleck. Myfave US show was Nypd blue. Closest to my sense of humour.Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-11845954010545972052013-03-22T12:08:25.612+00:002013-03-22T12:08:25.612+00:00Great post! I myself am very critical of cop shows...Great post! I myself am very critical of cop shows and most often have to just brush them off as entertainment value and not compare them to the real world.Momma Fargohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625178164224513103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-72907291295383713762013-03-21T13:46:50.613+00:002013-03-21T13:46:50.613+00:00Honestly, who doesn't love Zulu?
But it'... Honestly, who doesn't love Zulu?<br /><br /> But it's not just films that seem to get firearms and their handling wrong - to coincide with the death of James Herbert, I remember reading one of his books, where the hero seems to blaze away with a Stirling for what must be about a minute, before it finally runs dry.<br /> Is it physically possible to be firing a revolver in one hand, whilst the other hand reloads the other revolver? Buggered if I know, but Stephen King's hero, the Last Gunslinger, Roland, seems perfectly able to.<br /> Perhaps I ought to just suspend disbelief and just enjoy the story more...sparkflashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10106858614940850559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-55061714524690917022013-03-21T09:40:14.334+00:002013-03-21T09:40:14.334+00:00Retired:
Ditto!
and what an answer! That would hav...Retired:<br />Ditto!<br />and what an answer! That would have brought the house down. I presume the unlucky applicant ended up in CIB2?<br /><br />Re Zulu, my great gran's brother was killed at Isandlwana, so I thought it was just me - I'm reassured by your lad.<br /> <br />Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-85692696740936668722013-03-20T18:08:54.454+00:002013-03-20T18:08:54.454+00:00Re your comment at 11.18 that rings very true. I h...Re your comment at 11.18 that rings very true. I have sat on many selection boards, for various departments and promotions as an interviewer/assessor and the answers/examples that candidates provide can be amusing (as well as slightly worrying). My all time favourite answer to the question 'why do you want to join this particular unit?' was 'God has placed me on this earth as an instrument of righteousness to smite his enemies'. The candidate didn't get the job but went elsewhere.<br />I could go for ages about selection but no matter what you do the odd square pegs will still get into the round holes. Hopefully they can be directed elsewhere before doing too much harm.<br />PS My youngest son always used to raid his collection of toy guns/swords/medieval weaponry when Zulu was on. <br />RetiredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-25431822193788217952013-03-20T16:20:17.119+00:002013-03-20T16:20:17.119+00:00ACO: Once the proud owner of a Greener GP 12 bore ...ACO: Once the proud owner of a Greener GP 12 bore with Martini action falling breech block, I was once reported to have thrown a settee onto its side and barricade myself behind, during a viewing (one of dozens) of Zulu :-/<br /><br />Spark`: A brilliant response that you could only have delivered to a true friend!Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-66137741901443830642013-03-20T16:00:58.315+00:002013-03-20T16:00:58.315+00:00A friend is determined to teach me how to shoot pr... A friend is determined to teach me how to shoot properly ".. can't have you messing around like some Hollywood fairy..".<br /><br /> Quite.<br /><br /> But I still smile at some of the pictures of him and his compadres, down on the firing range in Hereford - it was the late 70's and shaggy hair and shaggier moustaches were all the vogue.<br /><br />"..at least I don't look like the Village People.." made him lose some of his pint through his nose.sparkflashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10106858614940850559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-60054664915477611882013-03-20T14:17:47.624+00:002013-03-20T14:17:47.624+00:00Have to agree that Hog. I was conscripted on the b...Have to agree that Hog. I was conscripted on the basis of my skeet shooting. I'm a fan of Miami Vice - largely as a 'how not to' training vehicle. Sue is still surprised when I roll to the floor watching the odd episode. I think she suspects PTSD, though in fact it's my perverse humour. Or have I missed something like Crockett's white suit having been made by Superman's mum?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-15634964726184973442013-03-20T11:18:58.838+00:002013-03-20T11:18:58.838+00:00ACO: Quite agree with the wise Sue! This was somet...ACO: Quite agree with the wise Sue! This was something I did as part of my job :) I was always wary of any officer who actually wanted to join the tactical firearms unit and their reasons for doing so were subject to very careful scrutiny! (I never volunteered either ;) Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-72483038142553141572013-03-20T00:04:00.129+00:002013-03-20T00:04:00.129+00:00I once asked a mate if he watched The Sweeney. &#...I once asked a mate if he watched The Sweeney. 'Don't do unpaid overtime', came the reply. The same guy had a dream - he wanted to follow the SWAT van and weld the doors shut before the squad 'shot out'. I have to agree Hoggie's points on weapon's use in the movies, but I spent more time as a detective and tend to notice I rarely had such obvious clues. Indeed, one episode of CSI has more clues per minute than I got by the year. Guys I worked commercial fraud with who are retiring now tell me not much has changed - they know thieving is rife in the banks and can't do anything about it. I'd like to see more of that kind of reality in the movies. I never got as intimate with my gun as Hog and in any case Sue has barred me from comment on what she regards as cowboys and indians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-79433556612815802642013-03-19T17:53:30.068+00:002013-03-19T17:53:30.068+00:00@BillB:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cBX3Y-4ux8...@BillB:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cBX3Y-4ux8<br /><br />Yes it really can be reduced to about 3 seconds (with a former SAS instructor whispering merciless pisstakings in your ear!)Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-83796619376295835512013-03-19T14:37:12.552+00:002013-03-19T14:37:12.552+00:00BillB: There really isn't that much to it. Mag...BillB: There really isn't that much to it. Mag off, Top slide, locking pin barrell and spring. Ta da! (Looks like a magic trick when done well though ;)Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-70984624179006650202013-03-17T04:29:25.657+00:002013-03-17T04:29:25.657+00:00I am still trying to imagine field stripping a Bro...I am still trying to imagine field stripping a Browning 9mm in 3 seconds - unreal. <br /><br />But when you have to train like your life depends on it, that provides the motivation. <br /><br />on field stripping, have a somewhat funny story to tell - remembering it 42 years. <br /><br />During Basic Training in the Army, we were issued M16s that had seen some rough service - from Vietnam? <br /><br />Regardless they were rather worn. <br /><br />After a day of shooting, we put the parts into a big communal vat with cleaning solution, being told that keep your bolt and don't mix it with someone else's<br /><br />That lesson was driven home when the following day somebody took a shot and the bolt did something - I want to say exploded - but he wasn't injured - just shaken up. <br /><br />Worn moving parts are best kept with the metal they wore against. <br /><br />Regarding tactical weapons instructors going bad we had something like that a few weeks ago you probably heard about it. <br /><br />He was angry at the LAPD to the point of murdering family members of officers - and killing one sheriff (not in the LAPD) just waiting at a traffic light. <br /><br />They cornered him in a cabin up at Lake Arrowhead - Christopher Dorner Cops weren't in a mood to try and talk him into surrendering. <br /><br />And of one of life's bitterer ironies, still can't believe one the the best military snipers ever - Chris Kyle - murdered in Texas trying to help some returning soldier.<br /><br /> I guess when you are around anyone with firearms keep your guard up - (why I don't like public ranges) imagine surviving Iraq - 160 kills - God knows the tight situations he was in and survived by his wits, to be killed at a Texas rifle range. <br /><br /><br /><br />BillBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-75027280779081574682013-03-16T18:53:34.989+00:002013-03-16T18:53:34.989+00:00Sounds a good prog. I'll check it out on dvd o...Sounds a good prog. I'll check it out on dvd on the strength of that.<br />I worked with Clintons SServ team in 1994. Have a few amusing anecdotes. Will mail one ;)Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-72875941184603040552013-03-16T13:29:18.122+00:002013-03-16T13:29:18.122+00:00I suspect that since not all police officers in th...I suspect that since not all police officers in the UK carry weapons, you ensure that those that do can properly use them. And stay on top of it. Vice the American attitude of everyone carries a weapon but only has to qualify annually. You guys (rightfully in my opinion) take the carrying and employment of a fire arm serious business. That folks that carry and use them should be highly proficient with them. <br /><br />In SF that was out take as well. The LEO that we were working with were a couple of lads from the Secret Service. I was surprised that we were much better pistol and other shots than they. Maybe that's why they were there? To learn? <br /><br />The Unit was a show that both my wife and I enjoyed. Yeah, the weapons stuff was crap and there was the posing, but there were other parts of it that were spot on. Which I will not go into detail about. <br /><br />I'm going to a reunion with a group of them next month. It should be fun, there are several of the guys that I'm looking forward to chatting with and catching up with. Marcus Erroneoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11980868853284918078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-17529037448174088712013-03-16T09:17:35.961+00:002013-03-16T09:17:35.961+00:00MarcusE: I did some requal shoots with aUS pd. The...MarcusE: I did some requal shoots with aUS pd. The range masters would all form a 'huddle' after each shoot and kept peeking back at me. It seems I had become top gun by a goodly margin and I was viewed as a ringer, except there was no money in a pot as far as I was aware.<br />I had to explain myself and the key was that in my outfit we had to requalify monthly. Theirs was annually. It didnt help when I said we all shot to the same level. Training time - an investment, not a money pit.Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-50807631274646854992013-03-16T02:16:01.113+00:002013-03-16T02:16:01.113+00:00My wife has gotten used to my comments about the w...My wife has gotten used to my comments about the weapons handling I see on screen. I've gotten much better at critiquing it, but some of it is just so unrealistic that I cannot let it pass. She's learned to ask me if something is realistic as well as asking me questions about how we did it.<br /><br />I only trained with LEOs once and we out shot them and out fought them. Then again, we were not hampered with the issues that they were. My team sergeant had done CT so our team did quite a bit of pistol work and CQB stuff which paid off when we attended more formal training. And other times. <br /><br />I didn't wear much "I love me" stuff while I was in, most of what little I had was because someone bought it for me as a gift. I have a few pieces now that I'm long retired from it that I trot out on the odd occasion. <br /><br />Back when I was in, we were mostly big guys built for moving long distances carrying heavy loads and arriving ready to fight. Some weren't, but most were big guys. Like you saw, great guys to work with but some of their personal lives were real train wrecks. <br /><br />I miss it, but we change and move on. Marcus Erroneoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11980868853284918078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-58088871295289527242013-03-15T22:27:13.137+00:002013-03-15T22:27:13.137+00:00If I don't stop this exposey stuff I'll en...If I don't stop this exposey stuff I'll end up all bitter and twisted. I welcome overhauls but I've rarely seen a good one and the bad eggs I'd flagged up all got protected. Corrupt? I thought so.Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434417594974826136.post-39892337840687933082013-03-15T21:58:03.131+00:002013-03-15T21:58:03.131+00:00PS. Was on a course once. Went out for a drink and...PS. Was on a course once. Went out for a drink and some staff came with us. One wore a Tshirt emblazoned with a cross hairs and "Sniper - Death from afar" thereon. I vanished.Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.com